Updated : January 10, 2007

A Little Perspective on $87 billion.
or "A billion here, a billion there... Pretty soon it starts to add up to some real money."


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romadbuff writes:

"The cost of freedom can not be measured in dollars and cents. For those of you who have never left the continental USA, you have no idea what you have or what it cost to keep it. I wonder if we went back to Sept 10th, 2001 and asked the 3k people that died in the terrorist attacks the next day, how much would 'enough' money to keep you and your loved ones alive? What would they say? By fighting these assholes on their own turf, we keep them occupied, their thoughts are on staying alive, not planning the next attack on US soil. The last thing they are thinking of when a B52 drops 20, 500lb bombs on their heads is what's the easiest way to get into the Superbowl with a bomb.

"So, make jokes, poke fun at President Bush, the bottom line is this, I'd rather spend $200 trillion dollars to keep the fight over there than see one Mother or Father cry cause there child was in the daycare of the building just leveled by one of those cowards. I'd rather be able to sit in my living room, my feet up, a cold beer in my hand and watch their Mothers and Fathers cry over them as they drag their dead bodies out of the rubble of one of their buildings."

PSPMARINE writes :

"I totally support both wars going on right now, but even for the most die-hard supporter, actually seeing a representation of just how much money is going into them, it makes you reconsider if it's worth it. Like I said, just hearing the numbers being said isn't that bad, but when you actually see just how much money is being used, in a comparison, you get a whole new perspective. That's a lot of money."

Stephen Claypool writes :

I thought this might be of interest to you. You may even want to put it on the site. Although I'm not sure about copyright issues.

Google Earth Aerial 3d Satellite Image of Reliant Stadium Link.

I think the picture could give people some perspective on just how much money it is, I mean, enough to nearly fill a stadium.

Here are some more: Stadium Up Close No 3D Model | Stadium No 3D Model | Stadium No Angle

 

Jamie Friedland writes:

Just one thing to say... Dave Faris, you are my hero. That's all there is to it.

widgitland writes :

"Now I understand that you're trying to make a point of how much money 87 billion dollars is, but I feel you're just exagerating the physical size of money. That much money would never be in one's, at worst it would be in 100's. In this case that would mean that the 900 million dollar stack would be just over the 87 billion (at 90 billion in fact) and in the picture below it, only the one square immediately next to the man and the car would even be necessary. But that wouldn't get your point across quite as well, so of course that wasn't even mentioned. Then again, why not use quarters? Or better yet, pennies? I'm quite sure that 100 pennies takes up significantly more room than a $1 bill, which is even increased since there is "wasted" space around the pennies when placed next to each other. Let's go with this for a minute... 100 pennies is approximately 3/4" by 3/4" by 6" (two rolls of pennies). Placed in a stack the same size as the $72,000 stack one one dollar bills, the pennies add up to only $640. That means that you need 112.5 times the space in pennies. Now consider the $87 billion pile of ones. The pennies would take up 112.5 times as much space! If you were just going for an exageration of how much physical space that much money takes up, I would think that pennies would be the best choice. Now my point is this: No matter how you show the physical bills (or coins) representing some vastly large amount of money, it just won't do it justice. Either it will be too large, too small, not in easy-to-understand bills, or whatever, but you just can't show that much money in bills and correctly represent the amount of money that it really is. I think that the quote at the bottom, "$166 billion is $568 for every man, woman and child in the United States. It's $3,269 for every person in Iraq and Afghanistan", would be an excellent way to show how much money it is if you also mentioned how many people there are in the US and Afghanistan. A better way to represent that much cash would be with material objects other than cash that everyone is familiar with. Of course it's practically impossible to come up with material objects totalling that much money, which is exactly the point. No matter how much money there is, you can always say how much space the cash will take up, changing largely depending on what bills you choose to use. But imagine trying to come up with what to spend that much money on for an average person... Just start the process, then buy 5 of everything you just thought of, and you still have an unbelievable amount of wealth left to spend. I think that if you thought of some good examples of very expensive things to buy, bought them in bulk, and then showed how much money is still left over you would do a much better job of representing what a vast amount of cash that really is. To most people, looking at a picture of a pile of cash doesn't really help them understand how much money it is, just that it's a hell of a lot, which is exactly how much they knew thinking "87 billion dollars, wow that's a lot".

Just the thoughts of a reader...take it or leave it."

Frederic Cerdan writes :

"this site is essential for democracy and peace on earth. It gives you a high military rank and a deep insight into our souls. This essential for your personal security and mental health to decipher between good and evil, selfcontrolled or steared by others."

OLVDEN writes :

"That 87 Bil story was brilliant.........You guys are so fu***n smart !!!!!!......... I think maybe you may have had an even better impact say, if you compared pennies and singles and all that cute shit to say......the fuckin World Trade Center !!!!........instead of to some shit Volkswagen. and blocks......... 87 Bil is nothing in the real scheme of things when you look at all the other shit this govt spends trillions on............Nice try.......trying to be "cute" regarding your political message...........Have a nice day...assholes..."

Jay Wasco writes :

"you're so smart.. so run for president"

Dr.jur.Gottfried Ressl writes :

TO: 87 Billion at Crunchweb.net
From : Ressi
cc:
001-USA PRESIDENCY (president@whitehouse.gov)
vice.president@whitehouse.gov
FBI HONOLULU AI and LAW and MASCHINE ETHICS Labs (Honolulu@FBI.gov)
minsKY@MEDIA.MIT.EDU

Subject: thank You for inspiring me to write this.......

Crunchweb Net: attention pls.

Referring to Your
visualisation how much or how little is 87e9 Dollars ( 87 000 000 000 US Dollars....)
( http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/ )( President Bush needs this 87 e 9 Dollars money to keep fighting and fight and finish, terminate and really end and fight and fight and fight and fight terrorism, and any sort of terrorism and also the money laundring narco terrorism )

Very interesting Your visualisation of 87 000 000 000 US Dollars.

Why dont You visualise also that the statistical average yearly income of any living US Citizen ist about 39.000 Dollars.....per year .....which makes 11115 000 000 000 Dollars a year. ( Assuming 285 000 000 living and to be protected US Citizen.) Thinking so it will lead you to the following: 87 000 000 000 Dollars is only 0.78 % of the average income of the US Citizen.
In concrete Numbers: 87 000 000 000 Dollars means the same as only 305 US Dollars per US citizen.And please learn to make join the other crime fighting nations also to join this war on terror and crime!!!! to reach CRUZ : CRIME RATES UNIVERSALLY ZERO.
Please be fair enaugh to show also that.....in Your visualisation.to get more vision of how to fight crime and its special form of crime: to terminate crime and its special form: terrorism.
Please learn to help to fight side by side with Your president!!!!
It could be fairer and very very helpful for the still free parts of this world.!!!

 

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